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[City Builder]

How many of these starforce protected games do you own, and how many of them do you have installed?

I own 

• Age of Pirates
• X3 Reunion (starforce removed in patch 2.0.0.1),
• Wildlife Park
• Super Power 2
• Singles 2 flirt up your life (I have the direct2drive version, no starforce in it)

I have [0] of them installed right now. I don't have them installed, not because they have starforce but rather because I've long since been done playing with them.

This is a list of games that use Starforce for copy protection along with which region the copy protection is used in and the version used. If the space is blank, there is no information on that region's version, but be wary. The publisher's contact info for the ones that use Starforce is also linked so you may tell them you disagree with their usage of Starforce. Demos that use Starforce will most likely use Starforce for the full release. Demos are protected because it prevents people from using an unprotected demo to crack the protected full version.

Name	North America (version)	Europe (version)	Publisher Contact
32nd America's Cup - The game		Yes	Focus Home Interactive
7 Sins	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Mercury Games
Age of Pirates		Yes (3.7)	Playlogic
Air Conflicts	Yes (Demo)	Yes	Excalibur & Frogster Interactive
American Conquest - Divided Nation	Yes (3.5)		CDV
Anito: Defend A Land Enraged	Yes (1)	Yes (1)	Anino Games
Anstoss 4		Yes (3)	Asacaron (German)
Area 51	Yes (3.4.76.00)		Midway
Armed Assault	No	Yes (Czech - 4.0.06.16) / No (German)	Cenega
Bet on Soldier	Yes (3.5.10.01)	Yes (3.5.10.01)	Mercury Games
Beyond Divinity	No (Install patch 1.49 or higher)		Hip Interactive
Black Mirror	Yes (3.3.27.36)	Yes (German, 3.3.35.01)	The Adventure Company / Dreamcatcher
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII		Yes (3.7.16.00)	Ubisoft
Blitzkrieg 2	Yes (3.5)	Yes (3.4.77.02)	CDV
Blitzkrieg: Rolling Thunder	Yes (3.4.50.1)	Yes	CDV
Borderzone		Yes (3.5)	1C
Breed	Yes (3.3.33.08)	Yes	CDV
Brian Lara International Cricket 2005		Yes (3)	Codemasters
Brian Lara International Cricket 2007		Yes (4.7)	Codemasters
Broken Sword 3: The Sleeping Dragon	Yes	No	The Adventure Company
Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood	Yes (3.6)	Yes	Ubisoft
Call of Juarez	No	Yes / No (Most are SecuROM - no exact publishers list at the moment)	Focus Home Interactive
Chameleon		Yes (Czech - 3.6) / No (Russia)	Cenega
Chaos League		Yes (3.3.37.02)	Mercury Games
Chaos League: Sudden Death
City Life	Yes (3.7.13.01) / No (Steam)	Yes (3.7.13.01) / No (Steam)	CDV / Deep Silver
Codename: Panzers - Phase One	Yes (3.3.37.2)	Yes / No (Spain/Italy - FX Interactive)	CDV
Codename: Panzers - Phase Two	Yes (3.4.77.000 --> 3.4.77.3)	Yes / No (Spain/Italy - FX Interactive)	CDV
Cold War	Yes (3.6.10.03)		Dreamcatcher
Colin McRae Rally 2005		Yes (3.4.49.1)	Codemasters
Colin McRae DIRT		Yes (4)	Codemasters
Cossacks II: Napoleonic Wars	Yes	Yes (3.4.65.11)	CDV
Crazy Frog Racer	Yes (3.5)	Yes	Mercury Games
Crazy Frog Racer 2		Yes	Deep Silver
Crazy Machines - Neues aus dem Laboratorium		Yes (3.6.10.6)	Novitas (Pepper Games)
Creature Conflict		Yes (3)	Cenega
Cross Racing Championship 2005		Yes (3.5)	Project Three Interactive
Curse: The Eye of Isis	Yes (3)	No
Cycling Manager 3		Yes (3)	GMX Media
Cycling Manager 4		Yes	Mercury Games
Dawn of Magic		Yes	Deep Silver
D-Day		Yes (3.4.41.1)	Mercury Games
Dead to Rights	Yes (3)		Namco
Desert Rats vs Afrika Korps	Yes (3.3.31.21)	Yes (3.3.31.19)	Monte Cristo
Desert Thunder	Yes		Groove Games
D.I.R.T. Origin of the Species	Yes (4)		Tri Synergy
Diver Deep Water Adventures		Yes
Domination	Yes (3)		Dreamcatcher
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey	No (Regular edition) / Yes (Limited Edition)	Yes	Micro Application
Enigma: Rising Tide	Yes (3)		Dreamcatcher
Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures	Yes (3.6)		Midway
Etherlords II	No	Yes (German, 3.3.31.21)	Arxel Tribe
FIM Speedway Grand Prix 2		Yes
Fire Chief		Yes (3)	Monte Cristo
Fire Department 3	Yes (3.7.13.00)	Yes (3.7)	Focus Home Interactive / Monte Cristo
Flatout 2	No	Yes (4)	Empire Interactive
Freedom Force vs The Third Reich	No	Yes	Mercury Games
Gangland	Yes (3.3.36.1)	Yes (3)	Whiptail Interactive
Garfield		Yes (3)	Hip Interactive
Gene Troopers		Yes (3.5.10.06)	Playlogic
Gooka: The Mystery of Janatris		Yes (English - v3), No (German)	Cenega
GT Legends	Yes (3.6.10.03 --> 3.6.10.06)	Yes (3.6.10.03 --> 3.6.10.06)	10tacle Studios
GTI Racing	Yes - In demo	Yes - In demo	Deep Silver
GTR: FIA GT Racing Game	Yes (3.4.70.2)	Yes (3.4.70.2)	10tacle Studios
Hammer & Sickle	Yes (3.5.10.06)		CDV
Happiness	No (Japan only)	No (Japan only)	Windmill
Hard Truck Apocalypse	Yes		CDV
Heroes of Annihilated Empires	Yes	Yes (Germany)	CDV
I-Ninja	Yes (3)		Namco
Keepsake	No	Yes (German, 3.6.10.07), No (Elsewhere)	Lighthouse Interactive
Kicker Manager 2004		Yes (3.3.36.01)	Deep Silver
Kill Switch	Yes (3.3.33.8)	Yes	Hip Interactive
King Kong	Yes (3.6.10.06)	Yes	Ubisoft
Knights of the Temple 2		Yes (3.6.10.03)	Playlogic
Kooka Bonga		Yes	Mindscape
Korea: Forgotten Conflict	No	Yes (3.3.27.36)	Cenega
Kuro No Uta Hime	No (Japan only)	No (Japan only)	Clockup
L.A. Rush	Yes (3)		Midway
LMA Professional Manager 2005		Yes (3.4.50.01)	Codemasters
LMA Manager 2007		Yes (4)	Codemasters
Lock On: Flaming Cliffs	Yes	Yes	Ubisoft
Loki		Yes (4.7)	Focus Home Interactive
Mad Tracks		Yes	Micro Application / Load Inc.
Medieval Lords		Yes (3)	Monte Cristo
Micro Machines V4	Yes (3.7)		Codemasters
Midway Arcade Treasures: Deluxe Edition	Yes		Midway
Miko X Mono	No (Japan only)	No (Japan only)	Asobell
Namco Museum 50th Anniversary	Yes (3.5)		Namco
Neuro Hunter		Yes (3.6.10.06)	Deep Silver
Night Watch	Yes (3.7)	Yes	CDV / Noviy Disk
Obscure	Yes (3.3.36.1)	Yes	Dreamcatcher
Onimusha 3	Yes		Ubisoft
Pac Man World 2	Yes (3.3.30.11)		Namco
Pac Man World 3
Paradise Sokal	No	Yes	Micro Application
Pax Romana	Yes		Dreamcatcher
Postal 2: Apocalypse Weekend	Yes (3)		Running With Scissors
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones	Yes (3.6.10.06)	Yes	Ubisoft
Pro Cycling Manager 2006		Yes	Focus Home Interactive
Pro Cycling Manager 2007		Yes	Focus Home Interactive
Pro Rugby Manager		Yes (3.3.33.08)	Mercury Games
Psi-Ops	Yes		Zoo Digital Publishing
Psychotoxic	Yes (3)	No (German)	Whiptail Interactive
Pure Pinball	Yes (3)		Simon & Schuster
Rainbow Six: Lockdown	Yes (3.6)		Ubisoft
Rally Championship Xtreme	Yes		Actualize
Restaurant Empire	Yes (3)	No (German)	Enlight
Restricted Area	Yes (3)	No (German)	Whiptail Interactive
Ricky Ponting International Cricket 2005
Rise and Fall : Civilizations At War	Yes (3.7.16.04)	Yes (3.7.16.04)	Midway
Runaway: A Road Adventure	No	Yes
Rush for Berlin	Yes (demo)	Yes (3.7.16.04)	Deep Silver
Sambo for Professionals
Scrapland	Yes (3.4.50.01)	Yes	Enlight / Deep Silver
Second Sight	Yes (3)	Yes	Codemasters
Shade: Wrath of Angels		Yes (3.4.53.0)	Cenega & Tri Synergy
Silent Hunter 3	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Yes	Ubisoft
Silent Storm	Yes (3)	Yes	Encore / Jowood
Silkolene Honda Motocross GP
Singles: Flirt Up Your Life	Yes (3.3.33.06)	Yes
Singles 2: Triple Trouble	Yes (3.4.76.00)	Yes	Deep Silver
Sniper Elite	Yes (3.5.10.01)	Yes	Ubisoft
Soldiers Heroes of World War 2	Yes (3.3.36.1)	Yes	Codemasters
Space Hack (aka Maximus XV Abraham Strong Space Mercenary)		Yes (3)	Excalibur
Space Rangers 2	Yes / No (Totalgaming.net)	Yes (3.4.76.00) / No (Totalgaming.net)	Cinemaware Marquee / Excalibur
SpellForce 2	No	Yes (Deep Silver - 3.7.13.00), No (Nobilis Iberica - Spain) & (K.E. Media - Scandinavia)	Deep Silver
Splinter Cell 3: Chaos Theory	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Yes	Ubisoft
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.	No	Yes (Russia)	Russobit-M
Star Wolves		Yes (3)	1C
Star Wolves 2		Yes	1C
Steel Saviour	Yes (SR-71, 3.6.06.1) / No (Merscom)	Yes (3.6.06.1)	SR-71
Still Life	Yes (3)	Yes	The Adventure Company / Microids
Street Racing Syndicate	Yes (3.4.53.0)
Sudeki	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Yes (3.4.71.19)	Zoo Digital Publishing
SuperPower 2	Yes (3)	Yes	Dreamcatcher
Taito Legends 2		Yes (3.7.13.00)	Xplosiv
The Ant Bully	Yes (3)		Midway
The Fall: Last Days of Gaia		Yes (3.4.63.3)	Deep Silver
The Moment of Silence	No	Yes ( Original German Release, dtp - SF removeable with official patch), Yes (Original UK Release, Digital Jesters), Yes (Original French Release, Focus Home), No (Special Edition Germany, dtp)
The Stalin Subway		Yes (3.7)	Buka Entertainment
The Suffering	Yes (3.3.37.2)	Yes	Midway & Encore
The Suffering: Ties That Bind	Yes (3.5.10.01)	Yes	Midway
The Westerner		Yes (3)
TOCA Race Driver 2	Yes (3.3.35.2)	Yes	Codemasters
TOCA Race Driver 3	Yes (3.7.13.00)	Yes	Codemasters
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six : Lockdown	Yes (3.6)	Yes	Ubisoft
TrackMania	Yes (3.3.35.04)	Yes	Enlight
TrackMania : Power Up !		Yes
TrackMania Nations	Yes	Yes	Focus Home Interactive
TrackMania Sunrise	Yes	Yes	Enlight / Mercury Games
TrackMania Sunrise eXtreme	Yes	Yes	Enlight / Mercury Games
TrackMania United	Yes / No (Steam)	Yes (4.50.06.12)	Focus Home Interactive
Traitors Gate 2: Cypher	Yes (3)		The Adventure Company
Ubersoldier	Yes (3.7.12.50)	Yes	CDV
UFO: Aftershock	Yes (3.6.10.03) / No (GamersGate download)	Yes / No (GamersGate download)	Cenega
Universal Combat: A World Apart	Yes	Yes	3000AD
V8 Supercars 2		Yes (3.3.35.02)	Codemasters
V8 Supercars 3 (aka DTM Race Driver 3)		Yes	Codemasters
Virtual Skipper 3	Yes	Yes (3)	Enlight / Mercury Games
Virtual Skipper 4
Virtual Skipper 5		Yes (4)	Focus Home Interactive
Vivisector		Yes (3.5.10.06)	1C
War and Peace	Yes		Microids
War on Terror		Yes (3.7.14.02)	Deep Silver & Monte Cristo
Wildlife Park	Yes (3)	Yes (3)	Encore / Jowood
Will of Steel	Yes (3.4.67.7)		GMX Media & Tri Synergy
Wintersport Pro 2006		Yes (3.7.13.00)	Focus Home Interactive
World Racing 2		Yes	Playlogic
World War II: Frontline Command	Yes	Yes (3.3.0.26)	Strategy First / Koch Media
Worms 4: Mayhem	No	Yes (3.5.05.03)	Codemasters
X3: Reunion	No (Install patch 2.0.01 or higher before playing) / No (Steam)	No (Install patch 2.0.01 or higher before playing) / No (Steam)	Enlight / Deep Silver
XIII	No	Yes (Russia)	Ubisoft
Xpand Rally		Yes (3.3)	TopWare
Xpand Rally Xtreme	Yes	Yes
Xuan-Yuan Sword 4	No (Asia only)	No (Asia only)
You Are Empty		Yes (4.70.9.3)	1C

[MaxBeta]

   Zero (0) for me.

I beta'd the Cossacks and Am Conq Series..but no SF on any of my game discs for those...just the retail copies I guess.

ALL the other games..save a few terribly buggy ones??    I just never had that much interest in playing I guess.   

[Lengo]

I have none of them. I played Cossacks for a little bit, but it was just plain stupid, so I gave up on it very quickly. Now when I see a title from CDV, I always think twice, and I've always passed on it.

I woulda and coulda enjoyed Medieval Lords, but it is terribly broken. I certainly like the way it made famrs (crop fields), and would like to see that approach taken in other titles, but it seems the whole gaming world thinks farms are always the same size and always flat, just like the world is, and the sun travels around the earth too, so flat, same size farms are best 'cause I wouldn't want the sun to run into their corners.

And just what the hell is this -- Heroes of Annihilated Empires? How can they be heros if their empire is annihilated? Huh? Like... this is an oxymoron! It should be titled Martyrs of Annhilated Empires.

No. I have a handful of respected titles, and I get my money's worth outta them. The titles I have at present are

CivCity: Rome
CotN
Unreal Tournament 2004
Rise of Nations
Age of Empires III + The Conquerors
Sid Meier's Civ IV
Trainz 2006
Anno 1503 (boy! this is one cumbersome nightmare)
Glory of the Roman Empire
Medieval Total War I (I need to take a second look at this one)
Railroad Tycoon 3
Stronghold Crusaders
Quake III + Q3 Arena
Command and Conquer: Generals + Zero Hour

All other titles I've ever bought have been sold or trashed if they're not sellable. Among those are World of Warcrap, Sid Meier's Pirates, Dark ages of Camelot, Medieval Lords, Starcrap, and.... erm.. I forget. Oops! Yeah, the very first game that really got me hooked (and I wish they'd remake this, streamlined with production queues and in 3d, Warcraft II -- I loved the flying dragons and the ability to turn people into sheep!  ) And I played Half-Life for about 2 years but have now sworn off all Valve titles forever! Oops again. I really liked Total Annihilation for a while, but it's now very dated, and very much a click-fest.

About copy protection -- it's never been an issue. I save my games in their entirety, and keep them in their boxes with all the documentation (and some downloaded, printed docs). Game patches are kept in a separate place, burned on CD, so that I'll never lose them if the company stops posting 'em. I don't copy my games. I treat the originals with respect, and have them well organized.

I have quit playing online, mainly because I grew tired of dealing with 13 year olds. I play only Single Player now, and that's good enough for me.

New titles coming soon to my shelves are Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, and Settlers: Rise of an Empire. I'm looking forward to both, but am more excited about Settlers than RCT3. I doubt that any other titles will make it to my shelves this year. I have plenty to keep me entertained, and most of the above keep me coming back to them. Perhaps the one I come back to most often is Stronghold Crusaders -- is fun, a no brainer, but challenging enough to keep me interested for a couple hours at a time.

Oh! I'm considering getting Dress Up Barbie. This looks like it might offer up hours of strategic complexities, great sound, and superb visuals! 

[Oregon Taz]

Hi Lengo

If you can acquire a copy of 1701 A.D. I think you will really like it. Look at all the raves elsewhere in the forum. 

I have quit playing online, mainly because I grew tired of dealing with 13 year olds. I play only Single Player now, and that's good enough for me.

I'm way past 13, so maybe we could play some online games.   
If not 1701 then maybe S6 when it is released.

[Lengo]

No thanks. I don't play online. Is more hassle than it's worth. I just don't do it.

As far as 1701, I've seen the graphics. I've played 1502. If 1701 is as troublesome as 1502, no thanks. 1602 allows automatic trade routes, but you gotta set 'em up in port! What a freakin' pain! Also, 1502 upgrades it's buildings and makes them unrecognizable. What used to look like a mill, doesn't even look close to it after it upgrades. This made finding my buildings too tough. 1502 was a nightmare to play. I expect 1701 to be similar. I'm not innerested. I'm pretty sure that Settlers: Rise of an Empire is gonna be what I want. And hey! Today I'm back into Trainz. Took me 3 weeks to get the incentive, but now I'm all hot to trot again. Litterally 'trot'.  I got horses! 

[MaxBeta]

  Game history has proved that player's either Loved or Hated the Anno series.. I agree 1503 was a toughie to get a handle on... strange as it may seem they had some of the best of the best in graphic artists..by industry standards at least.  Like all companies that are successful..eventually all their inner workforce become "watered-down" and sold to the highest bidder.. or so it seems.   

My personal assessment..Settlers is a much lesser game intuitive wise than 1701.. trade is strictly manual..vs automatic in 1701.  You can control the Type of Housing style through the upgrade cycle in 1701.. whereas Settlers is nicely done..but you get what has been given..no choosing styles on any of them.

This isn't a criticism..I'll probably play Settlers..just to be able to discuss the gameplay and other unique points of the title.   

[City Builder]

I really didn't care a whole lot for the other two Anno games at all.  But 1701 is quite the appealing game in my opinion.  I really don't find it to be troublesome at all.  There really isn't any one aspect that I can immediately put my finger on that causes me a great amount of grief like the previous two games did.

To me, there is no comparison between Settlers 6 and Anno 1701.  1701 offers almost infinte replayability and with the next xpack and an editor, it should be able to last as long as we still want to look at the lil' peeps wandering around their islands.  Settlers 6 n the other hand based only on the previews that I've read about it, is not going to have that replayability.  There is no AI beyond prescripted scenarios where as 1701 has got AI and you can choose whether you want the AI in your game or not.

[Oregon Taz]

As far as 1701, I've seen the graphics. I've played 1502. If 1701 is as troublesome as 1502, no thanks. 1602 allows automatic trade routes, but you gotta set 'em up in port! What a freakin' pain! Also, 1502 upgrades it's buildings and makes them unrecognizable. What used to look like a mill, doesn't even look close to it after it upgrades. This made finding my buildings too tough. 1502 was a nightmare to play. I expect 1701 to be similar. I'm not innerested. I'm pretty sure that Settlers: Rise of an Empire is gonna be what I want. And hey! Today I'm back into Trainz. Took me 3 weeks to get the incentive, but now I'm all hot to trot again. Litterally 'trot'.  I got horses! 

You oughta check out the demo.   
I think you will be pleasantly surprised.   

[RhiannOn]

You oughta check out the demo.   
I think you will be pleasantly surprised.  

Yep, I agree.
 1701AD will keep you on your toes by giving the ole brain a good workout..plus heaps of fun   . 

[Lengo]

Okay okay okay!  I'm getting the download as I write this.

Gamespot doesn't cover this very well. They dont even tell you there's a demo. Anno's site's movies don't play either. So I went to YouTube and saw a couple videos. It looks pretty good. But, are hemp farms still available? Can I grow Ganja? 

I already got my hands full with Trainz. More than full! They're overflowing. I've been fixing locos, retexturing carriage, and making narrow gauge cars so they can haul freight. Is a whole lotta work, lemme tell ya!

ANd I have budgeted to buy Settlers VI. I'm not gonna buy two games. I can't afford to.

At any rate, I like the idea of pirates. The graphics look pretty good too, but I dunno about volcanoes and typhoons. I don't wanna do all that work and have it wrecked by Hurricane Max or Typhoon Taz! No thank you. No thank you very much!! 

I think you're underestimating Settlers 6, CB.  Time will tell though. I hope it plays well. I'm certainly chomping on the bit for it. It's complicated enough to keep me interested. I was pretty hooked on just the demo, so I'm wanting the retail pretty badly. In the meantime, though, I'm building the Erie Canal. See the Trainz Strainz thread for more info (or hand over your Ganja, ya landlubbers!)